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 Post subject: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:53 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:06 pm 
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I like her, she synergizes well with high chi indivduals and with the new Kiho "Dance of Flames" from Koten to boost Shugenja force, the Shugenja wont be as succeptible to ranged attacks.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:24 pm 
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I don't know. The card looks so beautiful, and is just begging to be played, but I don't know if I can justify putting an 11g, 16hr Samurai into my deck. If yojimbo actually make a name for themselves, she might be worth it. Otherwise, she seems about 2g too expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:39 am 
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Shiba Rikuo wrote:
I don't know. The card looks so beautiful, and is just begging to be played, but I don't know if I can justify putting an 11g, 16hr Samurai into my deck. If yojimbo actually make a name for themselves, she might be worth it. Otherwise, she seems about 2g too expensive.


Agreed. She's too expensive, and while the Lion and Dragon get PK abilities, we get stuck with an overcosted, non-cavalry, non-tactician, champion with a BOW instead of kill ability.

I call shennanigans!

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:53 am 
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sweet william shatner that card is amazing

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:47 am 
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Shiba Rikuo wrote:
I I don't know if I can justify putting an 11g, 16hr Samurai into my deck.


I think that's a problem that all Clan Champions will face, not just Phoenix - at least for my part , I don't expect anyone costing less than Shigetoshi's 12 Gold - and 13 Gold for Tsukimi if you don't have the honor really is cheap for a Champ.
But I guess we'll have to see how easy it is to handle huge guys in CE. Right now your force/gold investment doesn't matter as there are cards like Surprising resistance, Crude Trap, Flanking action etc, effectively negating any investment you made with a much smaller investment of your opponent.
But right now there aren't much like those cards in CE, so the champs in general might be worthwhile again to get played.
I guess we'll have to wait and see....



In specifics on Tsukimi now:

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She's too expensive, and while the Lion and Dragon get PK abilities, we get stuck with an overcosted, non-cavalry, non-tactician, champion with a BOW instead of kill ability.


I guess that's the idea of being a pacifist clan - bow-action instead of kill ;)

Seriously, I don't miss her not having Tactician: (not mentioning that it would be unlogical flavorwise) She does not really need tactician like the other 2 champs: Even with Mizuhiko she's already at the magical number of 8 Force, being able to threaten Provinces on her own. Getting even more force with a 4-5 Chi Shug or granting that same bonus to other Samurai is just a nice icing that I really don't need - just send her alone and the opponet HAS to handle her. That's what a champ should be like.

As for the action in detail:
All 3 Champs neutralize a threat right now - with different Conditions/drawback of doing so:
Kei/Shigetoshi might run into a simple Few against many, Shigetoshi has an added cost of destroying sth, Kei might run into duel meta (not mentioning that she will not be able to duel at least 3 other clanchamps with a weapon on their own). Tsukimi has the drawback that her action does not remove presence and that normally it's easier to straighten stuff than prevent the killing of stuff. So of course it's the weakest action out of those 3 - but also the less riskiest.
And on to of that , the DT gave her something to compensate for that fact, too: She bows the whole unit (and noone can argue that a reusable Surprising resistance is that bad), has no conditions for her action like those of Kei/Shig. and you also gain 2 honor (which might be just interesting in Honor decks though).


So for my part, I think she's well-balanced, alot better than e.g. Ochiai in SE and really, really close to being on par with the other champs so far as she has alot to offer, too. Especially thanks to her trait being worded that you just need to control a shug, and not control a Shug at the same location.


Personally, I also dig that nice Synergy on her - She's passable when alone, already great for military with a Shug on the table (=Synergy, that should be easy to achieve) and gets another nice bonus when you control (=easy Synergy again) an elemental Master while not being broken. So at least from my part: props to the DT even though some Phx players might rather wish for an abolutely broken Champ instead ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 am 
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edit: Posting rumors is against the rules. Only official facts are accepted. Thanks.

On a side note, I thought if we did not have the Honor Requirement necessary to buy a personality out, we only had to pay 11g not 13g. Basically, buy her out for full and not get the honor for doing it. I did not realize it was a 4g swing.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:35 am 
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I agree with all points made here. I think she is good and will be used, but probably the least powerful of those champs that have been previewed already.

However, I like the fact that in every set that Tsukimi has been in, her artwork is HAWT!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:58 am 
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I really like her. Heck if you have an Isawa Kumai out before she hits play, you are paying 11g for a 10f/5c wrecking ball anyway.

Badass art, looks to work fairly well in alot of decks, with synergy possibilities in most themes without too much work other than bringing her into play. Now I wanna see our Masters in CE :D

Aaaahhh can't wait!

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:53 pm 
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I call her 11-13g because military decks most likely won't have the honor to get her for cheap, and Honor decks are going to want to pay her in full to... you know... gain honor. In the event we flip her before we have 16 honor, or we are playing against dishonor, she then becomes 13g.

Very rarely will she be brought out for 9g.

Lion will have no problem gaining 3 honor before pulling out Shigetoshi (making him mostly an 8-10g personality). Dragon might struggle gaining their 5 honor before Kei flips, but its manageable (I call her a 10-14g peep). Phoenix have to gain 10 honor before they can get Tsukimi for reduced.

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