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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:09 pm 
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I like her in any military deck that contains samurai. With any of our average shugenja, she becomes a blanket +3-4F. With a unique or elemental master, she becomes a blanket 5+. This is also a step up from our previous champion's force boosts/actions which usually required our generally fragile shugenja to be in the battle.

While her action doesn't kill, it does force the opponent to use an action to straighten. Plus, it gives you 2 honor no matter what, and the chance to destroy an attachment.

Now, if we can get requests ;) , I'd really like to see one of the masters!

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:59 pm 
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Hopefully, they reprint That acolyte follower. When our champion is a monk * Samurai * Shugenja, she's the definitely a threat on table.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:31 am 
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Agasha Sugaku wrote:
I like her in any military deck that contains samurai. With any of our average shugenja, she becomes a blanket +3-4F. With a unique or elemental master, she becomes a blanket 5+. This is also a step up from our previous champion's force boosts/actions which usually required our generally fragile shugenja to be in the battle.

While her action doesn't kill, it does force the opponent to use an action to straighten. Plus, it gives you 2 honor no matter what, and the chance to destroy an attachment.

Now, if we can get requests ;) , I'd really like to see one of the masters!


1/ If I am a military deck what do I need honour for? Oh, I know, to meet Tsukimi's Honour requirement. :? :x

2/ there will be 1 Master in Celestial base, so I hear.

3/ Her bow action is much weak than an action that destroys a unit. Even if they don't straighten the unit, it is still presence at the battle, allowing a much wider number of actions to be played over having no presence at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 7:53 am 
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Ok I`ve had a good look at Tsukimi. My initial reaction was disappointment but now I think she is not to bad. I ended up comparing her to Aikune (who we all know is a monster) and while not nearly as good is in a similar vein in my mind now.

Her force trait I`m now looking at purely for her own use, any additional force given to other Samurai is just a little icing. I will always be bringing out Shugenja before her any how! Her battle ability would have been better as a kill ability but a unit bow will have to be enough, at least it doesn`t require any other card to work.

The biggest disappointment is the 11 Gold cost which may be mitigated by one decent gold producing holding available to us (we can always hope :) ).

I am now crossing fingers that our actual power unique is going to be a shugenja that is comparable to Kei and Shigetoshi and Tsukimi is just good support.

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:32 am 
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I think i'd play her just for the picture :P. She seems good enough, definetly not as good as her Samurai edition version, but she is good. Might have a bit steep honor req, but then again she is phoenix and steep honor reqs is a trend on our fatties


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:34 pm 
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I think she is good. Ikokawa, Raiden and her all at a battlefield or even with Ikokawa home, that is 20 force for province taking with two personalities. She can take a province on her own and seems to hint at some kind of synergy with Shugenja which we should have.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:50 pm 
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Shibajhomer wrote:
1/ If I am a military deck what do I need honour for? Oh, I know, to meet Tsukimi's Honour requirement. :? :x

2/ there will be 1 Master in Celestial base, so I hear.

3/ Her bow action is much weak than an action that destroys a unit. Even if they don't straighten the unit, it is still presence at the battle, allowing a much wider number of actions to be played over having no presence at all.


1/ Or you can pay 2 more gold. I think the idea with phoenix military in the future is that we will have opposing units around to destroy in resolution for honor. Also, I'm sure that given her action we will be seeing honor in more of our battle actions.

2/ One master is great. I'm sure we'll see more in the future. Heck, we could easily have all five 2-3 expansions into the future.

3/ Of course bowing is weaker than destroying, however her action doesn't simply bow, it bows and gains honor. Right now we really don't know how much a bowed personality can do in battle bowed. We will really have to wait until we see CE in full.

I also think that her slightly weak action is made up for by her awesome trait.

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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:32 am 
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Agasha Sugaku wrote:
Shibajhomer wrote:
1/ If I am a military deck what do I need honour for? Oh, I know, to meet Tsukimi's Honour requirement. :? :x

2/ there will be 1 Master in Celestial base, so I hear.

3/ Her bow action is much weak than an action that destroys a unit. Even if they don't straighten the unit, it is still presence at the battle, allowing a much wider number of actions to be played over having no presence at all.


1/ Or you can pay 2 more gold. I think the idea with phoenix military in the future is that we will have opposing units around to destroy in resolution for honor. Also, I'm sure that given her action we will be seeing honor in more of our battle actions.

2/ One master is great. I'm sure we'll see more in the future. Heck, we could easily have all five 2-3 expansions into the future.

3/ Of course bowing is weaker than destroying, however her action doesn't simply bow, it bows and gains honor. Right now we really don't know how much a bowed personality can do in battle bowed. We will really have to wait until we see CE in full.

I also think that her slightly weak action is made up for by her awesome trait.


Unless they completely change the whole basis of Honour decks, defensive opposing is a one way ticket to Loseville, Arizona.

You will have less force, less peeps, (because of all that honour you have been getting from bringing people out, thus having less gold) less actions (because of those honour gaining ones) and actions that are less effective (because they are trying to gain honour as well).

Also Kei and Shigatoshi have awesome keywords themselves, Cavalry and Tactician respectively.

Her force boost means that she isn't a stand alone personality, she plays into the shugenja samurai synergy thing that has plagued us for years.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:29 pm 
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Love the art work. Also having read the DT themes for Phoenix I can see what they are doing with Tsukimi - the whole Shugenja's at home thing and there are some spells around that work from home - plus a whole range of water kihos for moving shugenjas and friends into battle if needed - so kudos for all of that.

Still I agree the honour requirement sucks and is there really any reason why we cant have 5 ph on a champion? Also - as others have pointed out - the other champions seen have an excellent extra trait (cavalry or tacticain - though Crane miss out but just have to make do with 2 awesome abilities) would Yojimbo have really been out of place on her? Frankly as Clan Champion she is the ultimate Yojimbo.

The main problem is that bowing a unit aids honour running more than military. In military you want p-kill or complete neutralisation. And as the arc progresses and more anti bowing cards enter the game her non-kill ability will suck more and more. And finally the problem remains - no shugenja on the table and half her worth just goes away - no other champion (or clan for that mater) has such a handicap.

I will play her and at times she will rock but would I rather have Kei Domatai or Diagotsu - you bet.


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 Post subject: Re: Shiba Tsukimi
 Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:54 am 
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I am a little underwhelmed by her cost and honor requirement. At least during Samurai, I could point to Tsukimi's 8 gold cost and say "See, she only costs 8 gold, she's not the worst clan champion in the set". Right now, she's nowhere near as good as any of the other clan champions I've seen so far.

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