You can make noise, just make sure that you acknowledge when they do something to move us in the right direction. If you complain about everything, then people will tend to ignore it all, even the valid complaints. This will not help the phoenix at all. However, if you feel that we need help in an area, feel free to say so. But be prepared to offer suggestions instead of blank complaints...

I don't know how anyone with any history in the game can truly believe that this design team is anti-phoenix. Reese played phoenix along with unicorn, and won a world championship with phoenix. Justin won a championship with phoenix as well. Hell, half of our CE theme write up was on how they are rethinking spells which will have a huge impact on us. If you notice, they have also been keeping our shugenja's costs reasonable.

Design is not the only place to look at when examining our tournament finishes. First, phoenix is well known for having a small player base compared to other clans. When you have fewer players you will have less players wining. Even the newest clan, spider, has many former shadowlands players as well as players from other clans to create a decent size player base. Second, two of the clans that were out in force in SE are also two clans which we are weak against, Scorpion (especially dishonor) and Unicorn. This is the nature of the game. Some clans will be on the bottom, and some will be on the top. We have had success though. We have won a few koteis this year and some last year. It was a bit more obvious that spider needed help last year when they won what, one kotei last year?

Kyoko is a step in the right direction. Her HR drop was overdue. She will be great for our honor decks as we can get her out for one holding for cheap or two for honor. She may even have a place in a blitz military deck. We'll see as more personalities and spells are spoiled. So far we have only seen 3 peeps and two spells and most have been pretty good.

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We did, we made lots and talked a lot. You can't see them now because they were on the M&S.
But here is one it's nice, it's simple it's a small but significant change and even makes sense. Give shugenja the ability to seppuku. We have actually been asking for it for a long time.



That isn't what I said. And there really is a difference between Phoenix and spells/shugenja. I know it may be hard for some to believe, but it is actually true, much like the difference between Lion and tactician.
(you mean 2 right? same as last year.)

Actually according to Reese, Spider has the smallest play base in the game. And we won two, not a massive step up. Everyone one was weak against Unicorn and Scorpion


You are right, I'm done with trying to get us better things. I complain too much.

Then why not give the ability to seppuku to monks and ninja? Seppuku has been the benefit of being a samurai/courtier due to them not having access to specific fate card categories (i.e. spells and kihos).



The difference between phoenix and shugenja would be more akin to the difference between lion and samurai. While spells and shugenja =/= phoenix, it would be hard to argue that improving the design around those two ideas will not benefit the clan.



They may be the absolute smallest, but we aren't ahead of them by much.



You miss the point. If all you do is complain about every card that we get, don't be surprised if design doesn't listen. Don't be afraid to point out the bad, but also be willing to acknowledge the good.

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Looks like the debate here is done. If there are concerns regarding the play balance of our clan, or individual cards, let's bring it up (along with specifics, and reasons) in future threads rather than bogging this one down with any further.

*Realigns thread's rails*

SO! Isawa Kyoko! I'll use'er.

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hear the cruel no-answer until blood drips down
beat your head against the wall of it
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men are like cows horses fuck poetry
look at your hand read it

Well, as i`m already training Celestial gaming, i`m using her

It looks like Kyoko will undoubtedly be a stable again and with new shiny reduce HR will be even more playable then before! Flavour text makes me sad though, poor gal.

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You bring fire? Against the Phoenix? Is this some manner of Joke? - Shiba Ikokawa

This also gives benefit for cavalry personalities since they have a place to park their horses.

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I'm seeing a pattern of lots of boxable personalities for CE, looks like military blitz will be a prominant theme.

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" by Daigotsu Usharo
Heavens: "Mortals have overstepped their boundries!"
Phoenix: "La la la, killing the oracles, la la la, taking their stuff." "

well this is both unexpected and greatly appreciated. even better is that the other Gemp kids are getting their EXP versions reprinted so we may get kyoko exp back as well

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Is was long overdue and helps Kyoko become one of the tools that early (and possibly even late) arc Phoenix will use.

As for the size of the Phoenix Clan, apparently my information was outdated. It appears Mantis is the smallest, not the Spider. Not sure where it goes from there but I don't think Spider is second smallest, that might belong to the Phoenix. Not positive though.

Kyoko is awesome though and you all should be loving her come next week. Enjoy!