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Isawa Aitoru
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Post subject: Touch of Ice  Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:34 pm |
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 Glad to see it's back. One of the few hopes for control decks. _________________ Phoenix Clan*Shugenja*Void*Scribe
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Isawa Rikiya
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:47 am |
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I love this spell dearly, it's helped me win so many games. Never seen somebody whip out a hired killer so fast as when I put this onto Zao as an open during his turn 3. I'm pretty optimistic about Phoenix for the upcoming environment, although that could just be because I'm a fairly new player  _________________ Isawa Rikiya 
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Kevin
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:24 pm |
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I'm really glad to see this back. Touch of Ice is one of my favorite control spells.
_________________ Kevin Winner Puerto Rico Kotei 2009 Top Phoenix: Columbia Kotei 2010, Cincinatti Kotei 2009  
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Isawa Kousei
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:14 pm |
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Yep, great card and it’s one of our only non holding honour gain cards we have now too. So you better love it! BTW great banner Isawa Rikiya and welcome to our clan  Would not fit in my signature, but is part of it now :
Brandon Smith
Isawa Kousei
Toronto Kotei 2004 -Top Phoenix
Legacy of Steel 2005 -Top Phoenix
Toronto Kotei 2005- Top Phoenix
Montreal Kotei 2005- Top Phoenix & 6th place
Ninube's Revenge 2005 - Top Phoenix & Winner
Thunder Bay Kotei 2006 -Top Phoenix
Toronto Kotei 2007 -Top Phoenix & 5th place
Gatineau Kotei 2007- Top Phoenix & Winner
Thunder Bay Kotei 2007- Top phoenix & 5th place
Gencon Indianapolis /Worlds 2007- Top phoenix & 6th place
Gatineau Kotei 2008 -Top Phoenix &7th place
Thunder Bay Kotei 2008 -Top Phoenix & 2nd place
Thunder Bay Kotei 2009- Top Phoenix & Winner_________________ Isawa kousei Phoenix clan.Shugenja.Earth.Fire.Enlightened.Gozoku.Inquisitor Team Refugees. Sudbury playtest Team lead  
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Isawa Rikiya
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:34 pm |
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Isawa Kousei wrote: Yep, great card and it’s one of our only non holding honour gain cards we have now too. So you better love it! BTW great banner Isawa Rikiya and welcome to our clan Thanks for the compliment, and the welcome  Yeah, I started playing L5R about 2 and a half months ago and I loved the sound of Phoenix as soon as somebody gave me a brief description of each clan, luckily GotE had a Phoenix starter too! I've got to the point where I can beat most of the guys at my local store at least some of the time, (some guys I nearly always beat), except a couple of really strong guys who run Oni and Spider decks. Feels good to be back on more of an 'even footing' now that Celestial is in and there aren't loads of people with old power rares that are tough to get hold of. I was wondering - who's planning to run The Winds Favour as well as or in place of Touch of Ice? The cost is putting me off a bit, as well as the possibility to avoid it by not assigning and moving in... but on the other hand, we have War Encampment and straightening the performing shugenja after it triggers is pretty nice, especially on a cav shug who can then still assign to the battle... _________________ Isawa Rikiya
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Isawa Kousei
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:58 am |
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Quote: I was wondering - who's planning to run The Winds Favour as well as or in place of Touch of Ice? The cost is putting me off a bit, as well as the possibility to avoid it by not assigning and moving in... but on the other hand, we have War Encampment and straightening the performing shugenja after it triggers is pretty nice, especially on a cav shug who can then still assign to the battle... Yeah I don’t like its 4g cost either. However it’s one of the only non holding honour gain cards that once you pay its gold cost, your gold is free to use again afterwards. I think it’s a “you use what you’ve got” kind of thing. But, that’s not totally true, because I am not using it right now, but I keep thinking about it.. yes, they can get around it, but I think they will be too busy using their movement cards to try and get by the stronghold. Would not fit in my signature, but is part of it now :
Brandon Smith
Isawa Kousei
Toronto Kotei 2004 -Top Phoenix
Legacy of Steel 2005 -Top Phoenix
Toronto Kotei 2005- Top Phoenix
Montreal Kotei 2005- Top Phoenix & 6th place
Ninube's Revenge 2005 - Top Phoenix & Winner
Thunder Bay Kotei 2006 -Top Phoenix
Toronto Kotei 2007 -Top Phoenix & 5th place
Gatineau Kotei 2007- Top Phoenix & Winner
Thunder Bay Kotei 2007- Top phoenix & 5th place
Gencon Indianapolis /Worlds 2007- Top phoenix & 6th place
Gatineau Kotei 2008 -Top Phoenix &7th place
Thunder Bay Kotei 2008 -Top Phoenix & 2nd place
Thunder Bay Kotei 2009- Top Phoenix & Winner_________________ Isawa kousei Phoenix clan.Shugenja.Earth.Fire.Enlightened.Gozoku.Inquisitor Team Refugees. Sudbury playtest Team lead
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:36 am |
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I am currently using both in my Phoenix Honor deck. I try to put The Wind's Favor on Isawa Itsuoko because if they attack, if frees her up to use it for her bow ability. It might work well on Isawa Kakajima as well.
Really, any personality that has "Battle: Bow one of this shugenja's spells:" or "While this shugenja has a spell attached" is a good personality to put The Wind's Favor on. It will have already done it's thing (given you honor) so bowing it for the shugenja's ability is not a bad thing. This is just in case we get more in the furute.
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:27 pm |
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Winds Favour has two draw backs, it is only when assigning and it does nothing against the honour match up. Which is the bigger problem as I see it.
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:15 pm |
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Well, ToI does not help in the honormatchup either*, so no big loss there.
If you're running War encampment anyways, I'd run it. Even then its abit expensive (not goldwise, but opportunitywise - you could also play an actioncard gaining honor/preventing dishonor/preserving your provinces instead)
W/o War encampment it's just too expensive as normally the Shugneja straightening and thus defending is dead if he defends.
*He just bows 2 dudes - as you wont attack him and he does not need to attack you, it's no problem to find 2 spuds.
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Post subject: Re: Touch of Ice Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:03 pm |
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Shakiko wrote: *He just bows 2 dudes - as you wont attack him and he does not need to attack you, it's no problem to find 2 spuds. With Touch of Death about to whittle away bowed people and the speed at which the two decks will gain Honour being able to throw out Touch of Ice can really mess with a Crane deck. He either stops his tricks or lets you gain honour and at some points he may well run out of people to bow. It is useful enough, not great mind you, but it gives you some options. _________________ 
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